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Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:06:50 -0400
Hello,
My, what a long email......
First off I'd like to say 'don't sell yourself short'. You have
as much ability to learn, understand and discuss your opinions as does
anyone else.
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>Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:30:50 +1200
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>.hi what a busy time emailing?unlike you i am just learning about
how to use
>a computer so writing the message for me is actually the easier
part - i
>think.
>
>You say bible prophecy is as reliable as a horoscope and provide an
example
>of this as the Jews returning to their land as being self
fulfilling. I see
>this as being anything but self fulfilling.
I didn't actually mention reliability. My point was that biblical
prophesy (and the bible in general) is subject to many interpretations
and reinterpretations. I include my original post here "It seems
that there are so many interpretations and reinterpretations that it is
possible to read anything into biblical accounts. Sometimes it's
literal, sometimes it's symbolic. The
interpretation is up to the reader. I'm tempted to compare this
to a horoscope where predictions are 'recognised' after they occur or
are self-fulfilling."
>About 2000 years ago the Jews
>were scattered all over the earth as we know. In recent time
Britain had
>sovereignty over Israeli land, then Palestine i think, being a
barren piece
>of land. Although there were always a few Zionists that did
want to return
>to Israel, the vast majority of jews pre world war 2 were very
happy as they
>were and where they were, secure in their riches across the
world. Most
>Jews therefore had no desire to return to Israel, neither did
Britain desire
>to release sovereignty anyway.
>It was of course as we know the near genocide of the jewish people
in WW2
>that gave the jews a desire to return to their homeland and probably
>produced guilt in the other countries to supply Israel with their
land. ( i
>did read up about this a little from the library quickly)
Your history regarding the timing, motivation and accuracy of events
leaves a fair bit to be desired. I'm certainly no expert myself,
but a quick review of Jewish history shows a different reality than you
perceive. Following are two of many events that predate your
statements,
1920 April 24, THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE PEACE CONFERENCE AT SAN REMO
(Italy)
Assigned the British government the Mandate over Palestine, directing
her to establish a national home for the Jewish people as presented in
the Balfour Declaration. As part of their mandate the British were
instructed to recognize "the historical connection of the Jewish people
with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national
home in that country." In addition, Britain was to "facilitate Jewish
immigration" and "close settlement by Jews on the land." The civil
administration was established on July 1, 1920 with Sir Herbert Samuel
as the first high commissioner.
1920 June 15, HAGANAH (Eretz Israel)
Self-Defense Force was formed during a meeting of the Ahdut Avodah
party. It was designed to take the place of the Ha-Shomer Ha-Tzair
movement, and was dedicated to havlagah, or self-defense. The original
idea had been proposed by Israel Shochat eight years earlier. With the
onset of the British Mandate the Zionist leaders had thought there
would not be a need for a self-defense organization. The Arab attacks
earlier that year proved them wrong. Eliyahu Golomb was its first
commander.
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